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by n4r9 1917 days ago
Again, you're greatly over-generalising what I'm saying. If violence can sometimes be justified, doesn't follow that everyone who uses violence is justified. It certainly doesn't follow that I support fascism.

There is potentially an argument to be had about what authority you have to decide that your act of violence is justified. I agree, that is difficult. But this again detracts from the core point which is that politics is consistently violent, right or wrong. It doesn't take a fascist state to commit violence for political purposes, it's happening all the time even in civilised countries.

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So, people die of starvation in civilized countries - that doesn’t make it right - but we also don’t put up plaques celebrating it.

And that really is the problem - in the one hand we have laws (set by governments) in a civil society that says violence is wrong, political violence doubly so, but at the same time they are putting up a plaque celebrating political violence.

It’s like “violence is bad... (wink)”

So if you were going to put up a plaque to Tony Blair celebrating his involvement in the Good Friday Agreement, I wouldn’t have an issue with it. I loathe the man personally and dislike much of his politics- but you are highlighting a positive thing he did.

Celebrating someone who is literally only thought of today because they failed to murder someone on the street sends a crazy message: “Murder is wrong... (wink)”

> we have laws (set by governments) in a civil society that says violence is wrong

We don't, though. Violence is legal if it's being carried out by state-sanctioned actors such as the police or army in the course of their duties.

For a state this seems somewhat inevitable, however pretty much all state entities have a duty to use as little violence as possible to get the job done. See European human rights act, Geneva convention etc.

At the end of the day - Violet Gibson wasn’t an employee or representative of any government. She was just someone with mental health issues and a revolver.

Again we come back to Thomas Mair, if your principle is that political violence is fine (again - that’s facism), then the only thing you should find objectionable about him is his politics. He was, after all, following your rules.

Personally I try to follow the “do unto others...” golden rule.

“Kill all others” seems to be the guiding principle of too many people.

> if your principle is that political violence is fine

No, that's not my principle and I've corrected you multiple times.

Lifestyle choice then ?