[KirbyTetro]

If you browse social media you will find that many of the users there still believe that Officer Sicknick was murdered by Trump supporters.

Shout the lie, whisper the retraction is SOP for the New York Times and it's a effective strategy. Once the US was committed to occupying Iraq admitting that their WMD justification was a lie doesn't really matter.

[dragonwriter]

> If you browse social media you will find that many of the users there still believe that Officer Sicknick was murdered by Trump supporters.

The felonious mass attack on the Capitol, and acts taken by particular participants in the course of that mass felony, seems nearly certainly to be a but-for cause of his death, so everyone engaging in that mass felony likely murdered him under the felony murder rule; the people who directly assaulted him, whose acts are most direct contributors to his death, probably committed something between voluntary manalaughter and depraved-heart murder even disregarding the felony murder rule.

People have been convicted of murder when the person murdered ied of a heart attack nearly a month later in which the stress of the criminal act as well as preexisting conditions were factors; that the immediate cause of death appears to be a heart attack doesn’t make this not-murder.

[Jonnax]

Right. The officer just randomly died the next day. People tend to randomly drop dead.

So what about the officers that weren't killed?

Plenty of videos of them being beaten with pipes.

One officer crushed against a door.

What do you think of the officer that was hit.with a stun gun 6 times and lost the tip of their finger? [1]

The police union says that one officer got their eye injured so bad that they lost it [2]

At the end of the day I presume Trump supporters don't care.

What justification to say it was bad do you have for the video where Babbit was shot? The people there were trying to smash a door on which the other side were politicians.

When people were protesting police brutality they were quick to shout #BlueLivesMatter.

But when Trump decided that he could pretend that millions of votes were fake and try and steal an election, his supporters were the "good guys" breaking into the capitol.

All their challenges failed in the courts but curiously they were only challenging results in districts which were majority minority. Not white majority districts which used the same voting methodology.

You say that it's SOP to manufacture consent. But every speech about taking the capital from Trump to Cruz on that day did exactly that in the minds of these people.

They talked about storming the capital. And that's what they did.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-ca...

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/27/us/biden-trump-impea...

[KirbyTetro]

The New York Times retracted their Sicknick story because it was false. All current indications are that Sicknick died of a heart attack, perhaps the stress and anxiety he felt that day aggravated his pre-existing issues but calling that murder is an impossible stretch.

[dragonwriter]

> All current indications are that Sicknick died of a heart attack, perhaps the stress and anxiety he felt that day aggravated his pre-existing issues but calling that murder is an impossible stretch.

No, it is well within the established caselaw surrounding ‘homicide by heart attack’, where other factors (such as the felony murder rule) establish that if the death was homicide, it would be murder.

see, for instance, https://www.somerset-kentucky.com/homicide-by-heart-attack/a...