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by dahart 1912 days ago
Why not just focus on the useful idea of separating presentation from commits, as a +1 bit of design thinking and evolution beyond git? I don't get this pretend crusade for nothing more than facts and truth, when the value judgement in the Fossil docs is thick and plain as day.

I don't even care that Fossil is attacking the competition, really. I am a huge fan of SQLite. I just wish this silly "lying" argument would go away. It does not put Fossil in a good light. It does not make a meaningful contribution to understanding version control workflows. It does not give git (or any other VCS) the benefit of the doubt or it's due credit in the context of it's own design decisions, even if those design decisions are inferior by today's standards or in Dr. Hipp's opinion. But, it's clear I didn't make any progress here, I'll just think about why I'm not being persuasive and try again later. This claim about lying would be just as "true" but even sillier applied to Perforce or Subversion or RCS or SCCS... think about it.
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mscrnt 1912 days ago
That's on you that you take it as a value judgment of your or anyone else's character. It's quite literally an accurate description of the rebase feature and the result of its use. And criticism of Git's design philosophy should not be misconstrued as a pretend crusade or personal attack. I presume the lead dev of Fossil and SQLite places a high price on auditability for not only personal philosophical reasons but professional necessity. So highlighting the foible to facilitate falsifying the historical record of a software development lifecycle is fair. But to get so vexed and try to persuade others that an emotional response to an accurate description of a software component is always going to be a tough sell. Instead, maybe try Fossil and see if it is in fact unsuitable to your workflow, then try a different persuasive approach on why Fossil is wrong. Because on this point—it isn't.
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dahart 1912 days ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19886216
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mscrnt 1911 days ago
That looks to be someone presenting their opinion—not a statement of fact. Ironically, too, considering the guidelines they link guides users to not do what they're doing.
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dahart 1911 days ago
Welcome to Hacker News. Since you’re new here, you seem to be unaware of the fact that the person who’s opinion you’re referring to and attempting to dismiss is one of the moderators of HN, and one of the authors and keepers of this site’s guidelines.
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mscrnt 1911 days ago
So you want to appeal to authority?
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