[jethro_tell]

ubuntu's big problem is that they try to be everything to everyone.

There's room for a phone linux, a user/corporate client linux, an enterprise linux or two. It's pretty tough for a company, even the well funded ones to do all three. MS missed phone, google missed enterprise, redhat doesn't really do phone or client (fedora I guess but it's not really a paid product). Then, you got scrappy ubuntu that's gonna reinvent phones and debian and do server support, and they are kinda just bad at all of it . . ..

[jolux]

I've found Ubuntu Desktop to be by far the least problematic desktop Linux distro. I was a big Fedora fan for a while but the hit in stability just wasn't worth it for me, and I liked the positivity of the Ubuntu hobbyist community, containing many people who are not primarily software engineers.

[jethro_tell]

It's not bad, and it's what I'd put my grandma on. It really falls down on the job as an enterprise client, shipping old buggy software like bad insecure versions of openconnect VPN and such.

If you want to set up a browsing/email machine for something it's a great choice.

This is actually where I think ubuntu should focus, the server offering is kinda meh. The upstart and unity shit was a waste of time. Instead, they should focus all that energy on being a client OS. One that can run on grandmas old machine and one that can run in the enterprise.

It's just a little half done for my taste