[xyzzy21]

Honestly they are bigots. The left in California and SF Bay Area frequently are (I grew up among them in Marin and Berkeley - their hypocrisy has been obvious since my teens and I've always despised it!)

The trend towards authoritarianism is all too familiar as well.

I've never understood not just joining in and talking. But that's Karens for you!

But I also have never had a problem with hanging out with local folks in Oakland and East SJ when I lived in SV despite being lily white and sticking out like a sore thumb. They have a lot to offer and you have to wade in and respect the differences.

But then plenty of techies think these are "scary places" - most because THEY make them scary by how they act.