[batat]

People who are against bullying of Richard Stallman exists too! And there are lot of them - quiet developers, incapable of social interaction. We are not reading Twitter 24/7, we are not speakers nor evangelists. We write commit messages, not tweets. We are doing things, not loud manifestos.

And all powers currently is seized by a loud crowd who believe that person should be judged by his words, not his deeds. They believe that "enough words, show me the code" is a meritocracy.

If you fear that your signature in RMS Support letter open letter may have negative consequences for your career, then just write some support words to [e-mail] and [e-mail], this is fine too!

[soganess]

How bout a person be judged by both their words and their deeds?

Also, this quasi-poetic, we-we-we, silent-majority, US vs THEM, argument comes off as "all developers must support RMS" saber-rattling.

I don't have a twitter (or any social media) and I've been a software engineer long enough that I worry about ageism. I definitely think RMS has been using his celebrity to avoid dealing with a bunch of unchecked personal demons. I also think MM relationship with JE was highly suspect.

All that said, kicking RMS out the FSF was organized publicity move because someone sensed a chink in the armor, not because they cared about MM accusers.

[batat]

Yes, silent-majority, exactly.

Because we (or this is me only?) were taught that expressing point of view which differs from current "course of the party", while may not be a subject of criminal prosecution (therefore, your freedom of speech is not formally violated), but leads to "deplatforming", you may lose your contracts, your job etc. "Cancel culture" instructs us that instant breakdown of all relations is normal, and many of those who break off relations with you do this not because they disagree with your point of view, but "just in case" to avoid consequences for themself.

Brendan Eich? Eric Steven Raymond? Media personalities like Johnny Depp, Joanne Rowling, James Gunn... All these people didn't break the law, they are not criminals, but they suffered for saying something. This is not "normal"! These cases are well-known and people will now may think twice before saying a word in defense of RMS because they are afraid! This is where "spiral of silence" comes from.

[hjek]

Except that Depp did get convicted of abuse:

> A High Court judge has ruled that actor Johnny Depp subjected his ex-wife to domestic abuse on twelve occasions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/54784429

[batat]

You are right, good catch.

[guipsp]

No one is bullying RMS, they are holding him accountable for his behavior.

>And all powers currently is seized by a loud crowd who believe that person should be judged by his words, not his deeds.

His deeds actually make people (specially woman) feel unsafe in the community.

[advicealligator]

> His deeds actually make people (specially woman) feel unsafe in the community.

How is that his problem and not theirs?

[Bancakes]

Can you give me a list of such women?

[guipsp]

I can link you some examples, but a complete list is impossible. In the middle of this article: https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-appendix...

[hjek]

> “He literally used to have a mattress on the floor of his office. He kept the door to his office open, to proudly showcase that mattress and all the implications that went with it. Many female students avoided the corridor with his office for that reason…I was one of the course 6 undergrads who avoided that part of NE43 precisely for that reason. (the mattress was also known to have shirtless people lounging on it…)”

He lived in his office. Maybe that explains the mattress, huh?

Additionally, at some point another anonymous person has sat on RMS' mattress without wearing a shirt. We're setting the bar quite low for what counts as "abuse" here.

> Until around 1998, my office at MIT was also my residence. I was even registered to vote from there.

https://stallman.org/rms-lifestyle.html

> I recall being told early in my freshman year “If RMS hits on you, just say ‘I’m a vi user’ even if it’s not true.”

So one person having allegedly told an arguably sexist text editor joke to another person is somehow good enough evidence to punish the third person who is the subject of the joke?

> Richard Stallman told me of his misery and that he’d kill himself if I didn’t go out with him. [...] He was not a man of his word or he’d be long dead.”

Complicated story, and arguably not nice of RMS, but saying that someone is not "a man of [their] word" because they haven't committed suicide is also not nice, in my eyes at least.

[Bancakes]

Anything more than unverifiable claims from 30 years ago? And even then, how is sleeping on a mattress oppressive? I also sleep on a mattress. I've also asked girls out when I was young, and been declined (once).

That is some twisted mythos regarding RMS. All his online, TV, and keynote appearances have proven him to be a misunderstood and harmless tech expert. What is your experience from speaking to him personally?

[guipsp]

I can link more: https://wwahammy.com/on-safety-at-libreplanet/

But I fear no matter how much I link it will never be enough.

[Bancakes]

Quality, not quantity. This is just outrage culture, nothing special.

[mavhc]

1. Given code is words, words and deeds would be the same thing

2. Someone who's good at code might be terrible at being a public figure, or indeed a human being other people would want to be around