[guscost]

Funny, I’m the opposite. I would have no significant reservations if it wasn’t for the creepy fascist vibe oozing from beneath the facade of “science”.

As it stands, I’ll go to war today and die to guarantee my and your and everyone’s right to refuse, should TPTB actually try anything that stupid. Shouldn’t be a problem though, the people in favor seem to be mostly bullies making noise. They tend to shut up when you let them know that their only path forward is to start, and then try to win, a war.

[_zn02]

"I believe the vaccine works and I'll die for your right not to take it" is one hell of a take, and I'm just happy there really aren't that many of you out there.

You may want to remove the link in your profile where you express skepticism that we'll hit millions of deaths worldwide, as it's going to make people question your already questionable viewpoints even more.

[brigandish]

It's hardly a surprise that someone who believes strongly in personal freedom might fight to defend it for (what are supposedly) liberal societies, especially given that several very large wars of the 20th century (hot and cold) are often described as fights for freedom, and usual for the freedom of of others and of all.

This is basically the default position of every liberal (not in the misapplied American parlance) for at least 150 years now and surely far longer.

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, — is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.”

John Stuart Mill, 1862

https://www.bartleby.com/73/1934.html

[kbelder]

That's my stance. I'll get vaccinated, I'd recommend it to others, but wouldn't want to live in a society where it was mandatory.

[_zn02]

there are a lot of things that are mandatory in this country, some of which I think should not be, and some of which I think should be

I think vaccines are a good one to be mandatory

[Karsteski]

Which country are you talking about?

[guscost]

A wild bully appears!

> skepticism that we’ll hit millions of deaths worldwide

Here’s the exact quote from the blog, in case any bystanders suspect that this person might not be arguing in good faith:

“Personally I don’t think that millions of healthy people will ever drop dead from one of these diseases in the space of a year, like they once did from a flu in 1918.”

> I’m just happy there really aren’t that many of you out there.

Should it come to the point where “dying for rights” is a real thing again (in America), I guess you’ll find out.

[_zn02]

Question- since there are plenty of vaccines that are already mandatory for various things in the US, shouldn't you already be dying for your rights?

[ghoward]

Not the GP, but those laws are unconstitutional. If we don't assert our rights, we will lose them.

"Those who will give up liberty for security [from a virus] will lose both."

[anoonmoose]

not only are you not the GP, you also didn't and can't answer my question

[ghoward]

If you are not willing to die for them, you will lose them.

We are, in fact, losing them now, so yes, now is the time to be willing to die for them.

[NeutralCrane]

No one is holding people down and injecting them with a vaccine. Everyone has the right to refuse. But society also has a right (and an obligation) to ensure that externalities are costed appropriately. You refusing a vaccine is a choice, but it also negatively affects others around you.

Whether its in the form of tax penalties, barred admission from public services, vaccination "passport" campaigns, or what have you, there needs to be a cost to associated with the damage your personal decision does to our society. If refusing a vaccine is truly that important to you, you are welcome to pay the cost. But I suspect many anti-vaxxers are simply societal freeloaders whose "principles" will melt away when they actually cost them something.