[robert_foss]

I live in central Berlin, and it is is downright embarrassing, internet access in Germany is terrible. 10 years ago I had 1Gbps fiber in Sweden.

For reference I have 400/20 Cable, for 44Eur/m. No caps. Provider Pyur. Overall medium terrible experience.

[intellirogue]

Also in central Berlin with the same speed connection. But my friends in the US, both in major metropolitan areas, can only dream of such a connection.

One has no option but ADSL which reaches 8Mbps on a good day, the other is luckier and has Cable but only 100Mbps.

[MaxBarraclough]

> only 100Mbps

What use would you have for throughput in excess of 100Mbps?

[rhino369]

I’ve had 900 mbit an 100 mbit and there is barely any practical difference.

And like 1/10 houses are actually networked well enough to even use a 300 mbit connect.

The only practical difference I’ve seen is upload. Cable internet is usually slow enough to impact actual use.

[CaptainZapp]

It's nice when you want to download RDR2 on Steam.

[MaxBarraclough]

Sure, but how many times a year does something like that crop up? Personally I don't mind leaving a vast download like that to run overnight. On a related note, software updates run in the background, so whether it takes a minute or an hour makes little difference. Same for automated backup.

I very rarely have use for capacity beyond 40Mbps, or perhaps even 25. 4K streaming is as demanding as it gets. If 40Mbps is appreciably cheaper than 100, I'll take 40.

If your Internet connection can't handle video chat and streaming, then you're right to say you don't have a decent modern Internet connection, and it's holding back what you can do. Capacity beyond 40Mbps, though, is rarely of any real consequence.

(I mean this in the particular context of home broadband, of course.)

[CaptainZapp]

Sure, it's rare enough that you download to such excess.

But the thing is that thanks to fiber there's hardly any difference price wise. So why not use it, when it's on offer?

Before that I had 100Mb up and down and was pretty happy with it. Large games could be a bit of a drag. Especially when GTA5 became available and I wanted to play it right now!

[MaxBarraclough]

> Especially when GTA5 became available and I wanted to play it right now!

Once the JSON parses, that is ;-P

[robert_foss]

Running a CI, checking out repositories, doing backups, etc.

I've had 1Gbps before, and it was fantastic.

[MaxBarraclough]

Does your CI really require extremely high bandwidth? Doesn't caching resolve this?

Checking out repositories is a rare event. It's even rarer to check out repositories weighing tens of gigabytes, such that throughput in excess of 100Mbps is noticeable.

As I said in my reply to CaptainZapp, it's generally fine if a background process like a backup takes several hours, and that's just for the few people who need to backup tens of gigabytes of data to the Internet every day. For everyone else, 100Mbps is far more than enough.

For most home users in particular, capacity beyond 40Mbps rarely brings any benefit.

[johnchristopher]

Agency PDF, clients videos to review, things that take less time to watch than to download.

[MaxBarraclough]

As I already said in my reply to CaptainZapp, 40Mbps is more than enough to stream 4K video, and it's rare to need to quickly download tens of gigabytes of data.

If you want to run several 4K streams at once, you'll need more than 40Mbps. I don't think many households have this requirement though.

[johnchristopher]

I don't stream PDFs, I don't stream reels, I don't stream PPTs, I don't stream WeTransfer.

[MaxBarraclough]

PDFs are small files. 40Mbps is way more than enough for that. Same for PPTs.

If you're regularly dealing with huge video files, then sure, you may be in the small minority that really does benefit from an extremely fast connection.

[Symbiote]

> For reference I have 400/20 Cable, for 44Eur/m

That's not too bad, is it? Sweden has had world-leading broadband for a decade, and your upload could be higher, but "downright embarrassing" is people stuck on a 24Mbit ADSL connection.

(I have 300/30 Mbit/s cable for 340DKK = 45€. I could upgrade to 1000/500 Mbit/s fibre for ... actually only 320DKK, but I haven't bothered.)

[ChuckNorris89]

Jan Böhmermann (Germany's John Oliver) did an investigation on his show[1] into Germany's terrible internet infrastructure and proved it's basically down to corruption from Kohl's regime that scrapped the fiber plans for copper in order to enrich a certain friendly company with political ties that was big in the copper business back then.

[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDNYS_4dkAc

[ng55QPSK]

And for 40 years they could not change? Fiber is comming close and close to homes every year as it's needed for FTTC (and doing vectoring on DSL for the last 400m) and for DOCSIS on coaxial cables.

[ChuckNorris89]

>And for 40 years they could not change?

Of course they 'could', but that would mean for corruption to have gone down and political competence to have gone up in those 40 years but unfortunately it hasn't, quite the opposite.

In Germany, high level corruption and political incompetence has only increased in that time (see BER airport, VW emissions scandal, and the handling of COVID).

Basically if you're well connected and rich, you're untouchable in Germany and your corruption mishaps will be swept under the rug as casual political 'whoopsies' right after you retire to a gold plated pension.

[CaptainZapp]

Well, quite a number of politicians got shitcanned after it turned that their dissertations were plagiarized.

So it's not that you're completely untouchable. Even with friends in high places.

[tchocky]

Germany privatised telecommunication in the 90s (was done by German Post before) including all the infrastructure (which was a really bad idea in hindsight). Most of the infrastructure is in the hand of the former state business and they want to squeeze the last Euro out of the copper wiring instead of investing in proper fiber infrastructure. Vectoring is just one more tool to squeeze the last bit out of old copper wires that have been in the ground for over 70 years. Also vectoring only works with one provider per node, and the German state gives most of the privilege to the Telekom.

It was written in some comments before, but Germany could have had the most modern fiber infrastructure in the world when the plans of former chancellor Helmut Schmitt wouldn't have been stopped by the Helmut Kohl government who was good friends with Leo Kirch, who was a big player in the German TV market and would rather benefit from copper wiring than fiber.

[ceejayoz]

200/5 runs $80/month here (upstate NY, USA), and I’m in a “good” broadband spot for my area.