[babas]

You can join Phillips hue units to your own zigbee network without Internet or even the Phillips hue app.

Zigbee2mqtt and a cheap zigbee dongle is all you need really. You could add home assistant for a better interface but there is no need to involve Phillips or the Internet. One of the huge advantages of zigbee imo.

[iaml]

Thank you, that's cool to know. But if it applies to all zigbee devices, there is little point to choose phillips devices specifically, no?

[dec0dedab0de]

With reviews being useless lately, many people have gone back to trusting brand names. Though the only reason I brought them up was to point out availability.

One other really cool thing is they have a wireless switch that is powered by the act of pushing the button.