[gusi]

I dont think that rails should worry about complaints coming from php developer.....

[ceejayoz]

Complaints should be judged on their merits, not their source.

[zoul]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[gusi]

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2688788

this is what i was referring too much of these are in ruby on rails from the beging ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Change_management