[zarkov99]

First let me say I too support basic income, so to some degree we are in agreement. What I am really disturbed by is by the resentment I read into your argument. Productive people aren't imposing anything, in fact they are the reason why we can even contemplate something as insane as basic income. All the marvels of the last 100 years are because of productive people and all of us should be immensely grateful to the titans who made it happen. You write about fairness, but there is nothing fair about taking things from people who produce them and giving them, for free, to people who do not. There is compassion, sure, and perhaps in the long run, as most people's economic value trends to 0, we will have no choice, but describing communism as basic fairness is deeply intellectually dishonest.

[jokoon]

> All the marvels of the last 100 years are because of productive people

How so? Those people were paid, why should they be also be thanked on top of what they gained?

The world is unfair by definition.

Why should things not be given for free? That's the premise of the basic income you agreed on.

I never really encouraged for communism either, and never said it would be fair.

[zarkov99]

> Those people were paid, why should they be also be thanked on top of what they gained?

Because there isn't enough money in the history of the world to compensate say the inventors of vaccines. Or electricity. Or the computer. Or the combustion engine.

There is no problem with giving things for free, as long as the giving is voluntary. There is an enormous problem with taking things by force from a group so you can give them to another.

[jokoon]

Those inventors are a fraction of people we would call productive.

Here is a presentation I find insightful on motivation and creativity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc

> There is an enormous problem with taking things by force from a group so you can give them to another.

Are you talking about taxes? Budgets are voted and depend on an elected government. Laws are a form of social contract, I guess. Money is just a medium of exchange, a way to "count sheeps" and reduce waste. In my view it's its only true function. No man is an island. People are free to go elsewhere and create their own country.

Now it's possible to advocate for a form of anarchism (there are many, I guess). Bertrand Russel has criticized anarchism.