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by furins 1919 days ago
I'm replying exactly to your assertion "Do your homework before repeating random exaggerated claims you've heard on the internet". I did, I didn't get my qualifications searching on Wikipedia, did you? "This melting cycle was happening before the industrial revolution and was not created by humans.": the cycle existed before humans, I agree, but the velocity of temperature change has increased after humans started to burn fossil fuels and deforestate.We are increasing the rate of change.
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>I didn't get my qualifications searching on Wikipedia, did you?

In fairness, Wikipedia's coverage would support the more alarmist narrative. Skepticism and nuance are framed as conspiracy theory.

In my reading of Wikipedia's editorial position someone who took their articles at face value would be inclined to support your tilting.

I'm not really sure what to make of your replies. I've just been correcting some factual errors people made. You seem to agree with me but using a tone that sounds argumentative and adding some disconnected additional facts which nobody was denying and which are common knowledge. Are you engaging in an ideological fight with someone who's not present here?
I understand that you are correcting some assertions, but the way you did questioned the scientific competence of other contributors is reducing the value of the entire sentence you were replying to. You are throwing out the baby with the bath water. The key message I wanted to stress, with additional contributions to the discussion, is that we have to be concerned. If you agree with me on this I'm fine. Unfortunately however your corrections suffered the same problem of the ones you were correcting. In particular I do not agree with you on these two sentences: "Climate change is not predicted to exterminate humans." It is. It's not predicted to make Homo sapiens sapiens extinct, like you probably meant, but many humans can be exterminated by repentine climate changes (think to famine, wars, drought). "This melting cycle was happening before the industrial revolution and was not created by humans." Human-made contributions are perturbing the cyclicity, to an extent that can lead to a non-cyclical patterns.
> "Climate change is not predicted to exterminate humans." It is. It's not predicted to make Homo sapiens sapiens extinct, like you probably meant

Sorry, but the only legitimate way to interpret "climate change is predicted to exterminate humans" is as a claim that the species will go extinct.

You do not appear to be a native English speaker:

> the way you did questioned the scientific competence of other contributors is reducing the value of the entire sentence you were replying to

> you probably do not understand what I've wrote

> I wrote [?] the people that paid my education

You're probably better off not trying to do fine interpretation on English sentences.

Broadly speaking there's a long history of doomsday predictions. Credentialed members of academia or religious institutions have participated in doomsaying throughout history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_ap...

Regardless of if the claim is or isn't being semantically backpedaled, I think historical context is important here.

Extinction of the species, not killing of some individuals. I thought that was clear all along. It comes from "It is that we, humans, we likely not survive".

You might just be shocked by words like "not caused by humans" and have reacted reflexively. Sometimes climate changes really aren't caused by humans.

you probably do not understand what I've wrote but it's fine, it's your right. I'm not replying to you anymore, I wrote the people that paid my education in order to study palaeoclimatology and give a educated opinion in their place when necessary. They can hopefully read my messages with a more open mind. I tried to make them constructive and informative, and I'm open to constructive questions.
You were being sealioned. You're more patient than I am.
> Are you engaging in an ideological fight with someone who's not present here?

Quit with the red herrings. It's fairly easy to comprehend what is being said here.

"The velocity of temperature change has increased after humans started to burn fossil fuels and deforestate. We are increasing the rate of change."

Yes that's common knowledge. So what?