[FeepingCreature]

The problem isn't with the not tolerating, it's with the pushing for others not to tolerate. Freedom requires choice.

Our problem is that we've built almost our entire ecosystem on systems where a single actor's intolerance can deny millions of people access to a product. This seemed like a good idea at the time. Apparently what it comes down to is the entire economy needs to be duplicated? Banks, payment providers, app stores, content delivery networks, web hosting, all the way to operating systems. I didn't realize that it would take that much to get the right to access any app or social network I want to? But apparently that's where the so-called paradox of tolerance has led us.

Seems we should have seen this coming. A certain xkcd about infrastructures comes to mind. Oh well. Since true decentralization is possible, it's just a matter of time in the end.

[devdas]

If you perceive tolerance as a peace treaty rather than a moral precept, then the paradox of tolerance disappears.

https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1...

You don't have to tolerate the intolerant, and the people running the app stores are free to make their choices of who they allow into the store.

If you want to be associated with fascists and racists, that is up to you, but you will not be welcome in civilised places. You can always run your own app store which allows those groups.

[FeepingCreature]

It is because I perceive tolerance as a peace treaty rather than a moral precept that I disagree with your conclusion.

Stop disturbing the peace.

[swayvil]

You do realize that the hallmark of fascism is to reject any who do not subscribe to the preferred ideology, right?

I mean grasp the irony.

[orestarod]

Do you reject the people who think it is ok to beat others up if they talk back to them?

That hallmark does not stand up to many examples. Being strictly against another ideology is not really the definition of fascism.

[bitwize]

> Apparently what it comes down to is the entire economy needs to be duplicated? Banks, payment providers, app stores, content delivery networks, web hosting, all the way to operating systems.

What it comes down to is if you're a fascist you won't be allowed to participate in the economy at all to spread your message. Service providers who cater to fascists will be cut off by the banks, and banks that refuse to do their due diligence w.r.t. fash in their customer ranks will be singled out for more in-depth investigation by federal authorities.

[FeepingCreature]

> And people very reasonably ask – hey, I notice my side kind of controls all of this stuff, the situation is actually asymmetrical, they have no way of retaliating, maybe we should just grind our enemies beneath our boots this one time.

> And then when it turns out that the enemies can just leave and start their own institutions, with horrendous results for everybody, the cry goes up “Wait, that’s unfair! Nobody ever said you could do that! Come back so we can grind you beneath our boots some more!”

I don't think often of the right to "go away if you don't like something", but that's because it's so basic and essential I barely consider it.