[znpy]

> If more of us grew a spine, we wouldn't see the management/IT-ops staging a recreation of the stereotypical high-school jocks/nerds conflict.

I cannot upvote this enough.

I haven't seen a company change mind so fast until 3/4 of a huge team (25-30 people) team left the company within 6-8 months.

[dunefox]

What made them leave? It's different if they leave randomly or because a well known set of reasons.

[jgeada]

Everybody lies on exit interviews. You mostly don't want to burn bridges and frequently will need some references. So HR departments have 0 useful information as to why people are leaving and even less about the costs of having developers go.

[zimpenfish]

> Everybody lies on exit interviews. You mostly don't want to burn bridges

Hold on - not everyone does (I offer myself as anecdata). And I am more than happy to burn bridges if I'm leaving a toxic workplace because, well, it's toxic.

[znpy]

It really depends. where the scene is not that big, it does happen to meet again a former coworker (or a former boss) at another company.

I've seen that happen.

[znpy]

you're pretty much right.

[tl]

Finding a job with higher pay or a better work environment makes the rest of that team (and possibly members of other teams) reconsider staying.

Personal anecdata: one person leaving a team of 10-20 caused 3-5 other people to either leave or re-negotiate in private. In extreme cases, this triggers a chain reaction.

[znpy]

This is also true.

[znpy]

a long streak of dumb decisions made by upper management (think C-level execs, not direct managers).