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by Isthatablackgsd 1920 days ago
> For search: Use Startpage - gives you Google results with privacy.

FYI, Ads company brought up Startpage. Despite their public statement with privacy for Startpage, I don't trust them since they can 180 it without any repercussion.
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karinakarina 1920 days ago
(Startpage employee) Privacy policy hasn't changed and that's legally binding.

"Marketing messages can claim almost anything, but a privacy policy has legal status." - Robert E.G. Beens, Startpage CEO and Co-founder

If you have questions, let me know.

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Bancakes 1920 days ago
Yes, are you aware billion dollar corporations get away with leaking terabytes of information, so a smalltime ad company will get away with leaking data over time? Are you aware someone has to manually pursue startpage?

If I can't ssh into their servers and have a look-see or run my own instance, then their claims are unverifiable.

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karinakarina 1919 days ago
You're completely right, Big Tech gets away with a lot - including collecting/selling a ton of data to make profit. That's because their revenue model is based on behavioral advertising. For Startpage it's always been based on contextual advertising. And, you don't need personal data for that.

And, it happens that System1 is interested in "capturing" that revenue from contextual advertising.

"System1 is interested in Startpage's ad revenue, not its data," the company said. "The reason a company like System1 openly owns other search engines and consumer tech products like Info.com and Mapquest is that they want to capture that ad revenue that is slowly shifting to private search engines. There has been a steady increase in people using private search engines and therefore a steady increase in their revenue. It is a growing market that they feel will continue to thrive and grow." (https://www.computing.co.uk/news/4017337/privacy-focused-sea...)

That being said: At the end of the day, it all comes back to trust. Even with OSS, you have to trust that they won't change the code. And, you should use products that you trust to best protect your privacy.

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Bancakes 1919 days ago
You really like to shill startpage for some reason despite a search engine needing 0 advertisements?
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karinakarina 1918 days ago
As mentioned above - I'm a Startpage employee. I know quite a bit about the subject so I jump in when it comes up.

Advertising on a search engine is main form of revenue > pays employees > updates > keeps current users and gets new users. You could make the argument for crowd sourcing, but it doesn't always work.

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Bancakes 1918 days ago
Interesting. I'm happy startpage gets revenue, whatever it is. I think I'll keep using ddg and a searx instance.
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