[Mediterraneo10]

> Governments lost the war against ... cryptography

I don't think so. The vast majority of people communicating around the world today are doing so through backdoored platforms like Whatsapp or WeChat, and running backdoored operating systems or backdoored processors. Sure, there is a tiny population of cypherpunks who might really have good opsec, but at this point it is no longer a government's "war" against anything: the war is won and some ultra-low-level unrest doesn't change that fact.

[Sebb767]

While I agree that one shouldn't trust WhatsApp and I don't use it, I don't think it is fair to simply label it as backdoored without further proof. It uses Signals encryption after all, despite its drawbacks (i.e. single-client only or multi-client with a rather bad setup).

[Mediterraneo10]

By default WhatsApp backs up everything to Google Drive in plaintext. You might turn that feature off, but the vast majority of a person's contacts likely won't.

[gruez]

wechat yes, but AFAIK whatsapp uses the signal protocol? Not to mention half of the US uses iOS which has imessage

[exyi]

Without proper (=widespread) key verification and with unencrypted backups to cloud (AFAIK, did not use WA for a while fortunately).