[ceilingcorner]

I always find it odd how Europe is used as an example of gun control success. Especially when it comes to the issue of oppressive governments.

World War 2 happened less than a century ago. During Weimar and the 1930s, pretty strict gun laws were put in place.

[pintxo]

This might be because we are still waiting for a conclusive argument how wide-spread gun ownership would have prevented WW2.

Hint: Hitler was legally voted into power. It's not that the Nazis had guns and the rest of the country was in fear to oppose them.

[ceilingcorner]

That's a counterfactual argument. It is by definition unprovable. I said that Europe shouldn't be considered a gun control success, not that if there were guns, WW2 would have been prevented.

During the Weimar era and the Nazi era, gun control laws were put into place. That is a historical fact.

Also, hint: saying that Hitler was voted into power as if it were an average democratic vote deeply misunderstands the situation. I suggest reading more about the era, specifically Ian Kershaw's book.

[blackshaw]

> Also, hint: saying that Hitler was voted into power as if it were an average democratic vote deeply misunderstands the situation.

This is correct.

Richard Evans's The Coming of the Third Reich is excellent too.

[pintxo]

I might have miss understood your argument, but to me it reads like you wanted to imply that the implementation of gun controls ~lead to~ supported fascism and ultimately lead to WW2.

> I always find it odd how Europe is used as an example of gun control success. Especially when it comes to the issue of oppressive governments.

> World War 2 happened less than a century ago. During Weimar and the 1930s, pretty strict gun laws were put in place.