[tthun]

Not a Joke. I am recommending Salesforce.com's PaaS offering (used to licensed as force.com, now called "platform" [0]). Expensive, but it is IMHO the best low code cloud platform there is that has got every aspect (Apps, Identity, Security, ACLs, Workflows and Triggers, APIs) right.

[0] https://www.salesforce.com/editions-pricing/platform/

[the_duke]

Just hearing Salesforce should make you run as fast as you can , if you value your sanity as a developer.

Salesforce is unbeatable in marketing and sales strategy, but the products are horrible.

[tthun]

> sanity as a developer Low code is targeted at app building experience for non-developers/citizen coders. Curious if you have personal experience with the Salesforce platform and can provide details on some of your biggest gripes with it. I have used it with great success in building simple “textbox on database” applications that are easy to maintain and change.

> hearing Salesforce alone What do you think about heroku?

I am genuinely interested in alternatives that is cheaper and don’t charge per user.

[zwily]

I have never used a Salesforce app that was not terrible. I'm sure it provides lots of value to the business who use it, but it is awful awful for end users it is thrust upon.

[atonse]

My experience with Salesforce is exactly the promise of low code. Because you can get a lot more done without needing to be a software engineer, it empowers a whole extra set of people to build software without having to think in terms of reusability, performance, scalability, or a coherent data model. And you see the results of that.

I think as a platform it’s really powerful. (I’ve arrived at that after years of looking at it with disdain). But it’s problematic from our perspective exactly because it throws out anything we consider good habits of software development.