[NestedLoopGoBrr]

This was already posted yesterday and ended up being an absolute disaster of a thread, filled with many people expressing their conviction that transgender individuals are suffering from a delusion. I really hope dang is paying attention this time, because if this is the kind of discourse Hacker News and by extension, YCombinator considers to be reflective of the beliefs of the community, it says a lot about whether or not trans members are welcome here or at YC at all.

[DanBC]

Yes. Anything about trans people on HN is always fucking terrible. Partly because people expect some kind of truthiness from the UK press, and they're unprepared to deal with the levels of misinformation coming from the UK about trans people at the moment.

EDIT: Have you heard of Tildes? It's considerably more friendly for trans people. Send me an email at dan dot bealecocks at gmail dot com and I'll send you an invite. Or email the invite link here: https://docs.tildes.net/contact

[vertex-four]

There’s a reason my recent HR training had an entire section on how not to put the company at risk by being open about one’s beliefs about trans people. Fact of the matter is transphobia is the norm and they’d rather us dead than working alongside them.

[readflaggedcomm]

Surely bravery underlies the punishments or dismissals which reward acting according to society's norms. Or maybe fear drives profits.

[vertex-four]

Or, y’know, the Government implemented laws which are intended to protect a minority which doesn’t have another option under capitalism.

Come out and say it - “I would prefer you dead than have to work alongside you”.

[wayneftw]

Stop shouting it from the rooftops and you'll be accepted however you present yourself. That's your option, but you refuse to take that one.

You're continually bashing your sexuality and gender identity politics into people's faces and then complaining that they don't like you. Nobody else does this.

If I work with you, I would prefer to not know about your deeply personal issues at all.

[vertex-four]

You would know my deeply personal issues only by how I dress. I don’t shout about shit at work, I do my job (better than most could), and still I get harassed.

I wish people did see it as a deeply personal issue and felt embarrassed about bringing it up, or trying to get their fingers into my healthcare as in the rest of this thread.

You cannot have it both ways - attempt to tell me to shut up when defending myself, while trying to tell me you know better than my doctor and me about my healthcare and gender.

[wayneftw]

> You would know my deeply personal issues only by how I dress.

That's an easy problem to fix. If dressing a particular way is causing harassment, start dressing differently.

I want to wear sweatpants to work, but nobody finds it acceptable. So you know what I do? I wear khakis now.

> I wish people did see it as a deeply personal issue and felt embarrassed about bringing it up, or trying to get their fingers into my healthcare as in the rest of this thread.

They absolutely wouldn't bring it up if they weren't prompted. Nobody goes around randomly making fun of people without cause because it's not fun to just make stuff up about people that's obviously not true. There has to be some hint of truth to it.

> You cannot have it both ways - attempt to tell me to shut up when defending myself, while trying to tell me you know better than my doctor and me about my healthcare and gender.

There would be nothing to defend against if nobody announced their personal issues by dressing a certain way and talking about it.

People in this thread are here voluntarily. If they don't like what's being said they can go to some other thread and stop talking about the thing that's causing them grief.

[readflaggedcomm]

And if your accusation were in the workplace, you win automatically. Good job seizing the means, I guess.

[esarbe]

Yeah, society has some weird fixations. Sex, sexuality and gender are very much taboo topics and anything that can not be put in nice little boxes is considered deviant and obviously bad.

Although I think that may be changing. Since we're slowly (maybe too slowly) transitioning into from a culture that has accepted that fact that reproduction does not have the primacy it once had, we can relax our collective fear of extincting for lack of children and focus our fear and panic where it actually belongs.

[wayneftw]

How does anyone at work know that another person is trans unless they're wearing that fact as a badge of some sort? If you look like one thing or another, people will accept you as that. The smart thing for trans people to do would be to keep it to themselves.

Heck, ugly and fat people have the same sorts of problems. Nobody wants to date them, they regularly get passed over for promotions if a beautiful person is competing and many get depressed to the point of contemplating suicide. [0]

[0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23576272/