[throwawaysea]

Don’t you think that a man claiming to be a woman or vice versa is a detachment from reality that is delusional? And if someone is threatening self harm because other people do not accept their personality or claimed gender, isn’t that a sign of being mentally ill? I don’t mean “mentally ill” as a pejorative, although I understand it can carry that connotation. But I feel the definition plainly and unemotionally applies to such circumstances.

I think trans people deserve safety and equal rights. But I am challenging the oft repeated claim that a “transwoman is a woman” or “transman is a man”. I can see the existence of a third gender, as has been the case in some cultures that have historically identified and acknowledged the existence of trans persons. But the push to reclassify existing genders as “cis”, or erase the existing genders, or conveniently switch between gender and sex when suitable, or erase female spaces like sports, all seem like forced views that are only being heard because of aggressive suppression of any dissenting thought.

[DarkWiiPlayer]

> But I am challenging the oft repeated claim that a “transwoman is a woman” or “transman is a man”

I never understood how people are having that discussion. What gender a trans person is comes down to how you define gender and there's a clear divide between people defining it as more of a social thing and others defining it as a mostly biological thing.

Saying "trans women are women" is really just saying "I don't think chromosomes and genitals are the main thing that defines gender. So ultimately this comes down to a disagreement about a words definition, which is utterly pointless (unless you're specifically looking at it from a language perspective I guess, in which case it's probably quite an interesting debate).

One way or another, this has nothing to do with whether gender dysphoria is a delusion or not.