[busrf]

How is “martial tradition” related to protest effectiveness? You know there’s more to building long lived protest movements than street fighting, right? The doc itself lists many forms of effective action that had nothing to do with “martial tradition”.

[centimeter]

> You know there’s more to building long lived protest movements than street fighting, right

There's also more to being successful than being "long lived".

If you're going up against the Chinese government, you need some degree of violence in excess of that levied by the HK protestors.

> The doc itself lists many forms of effective action

The HK protest actions were not at all effective.

[threatofrain]

It may have been that there was no winning position for HK.

[smitty1e]

Departure.

Part of winning strategically is understanding that only 'sufficient' tactical engagements must be won.

Getting annihilated does not advance the cause.