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by the_af 1933 days ago
That seems to me a form of begging the question: you assume "AI based life forms" will indeed be life forms, then argue the definition from the parent post fails to account for this new life form.

But that such a thing as AI life forms will exist and be accepted as such by scientific consensus is not a given, at all.

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I'm not sure it is begging the question, at least not if framed properly.

The question seems to be to be "what exact criteria categorises what is commonly meant when people talk about what is alive". I think you could interpret OP as claiming that there is an idea of artificial or alien life as presented in science fiction which people would commonly describe as life but may not replicate.

That's not what the OP claimed, and in a second comment he/she implies AI life forms are inevitable. This is... debatable, to put it mildly.

You cannot say "this definition of life fails to account for an uncertain future phenomenon not everyone is convinced will count as life, therefore your definition of life is incomplete".

Fictional life is not real life. Authors, especially fiction authors, are not bound by the rules of nature. Sometimes they guess right, sometimes they don't, sometimes they simply provide thought experiments or parables.

Not really. There is no objectively true unarguable definition of life. When in silico life becomes reality and humans do their human thing of devaluing anything that's not like them, it won't matter what human consensus deems as life. I'm not worried about determining what "indeed will be life forms" no more than I worry about objectively defining what is a good meal or which is the most beautiful color. Humans have no standing it determining what true life is. What's important is developing an intentional stance towards whatever is not us.
The human mind invented the concept of life. There’s no objective definition other than what people decide that it means, because no other form of intelligence tries to make the distinction.
I’m pretty sure siliconers do pasteurize their silk and disilfect medical equipment as well. Life is too intrusive and too eager for food to not care about it.
> When in silico life becomes reality and humans do their human thing of devaluing anything that's not like them

That is, again, begging the question.