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by harimau777 1926 days ago
It seems to me that a lot of the problem is that there is currently no conservative position on social justice to counterbalance progressive positions. So when people rightly see problems with inequality in America their only option is the progressive position; not matter how radical.
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zozbot234 1926 days ago
> It seems to me that a lot of the problem is that there is currently no conservative position on social justice to counterbalance progressive positions.

On the contrary, the conservative position on actual social justice is the mainstream view of social justice. The very notion of it ultimately comes from conservative (namely catholic) social thought.

The fake ideology of Woke so-called "Social Justice(tm)" is about something entirely different, that ultimately doesn't stand up to even the most casual intellectual scrutiny.

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N1H1L 1925 days ago
You answered the question posed above you with your opinion, your post is devoid of facts.

You failed to answer the question - what is the conservative opinion on social justice, but rather claimed that it's the mainstream view. There is nothing in your post to back it up, let alone provide proof that a mainstream view even exists.

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AnimalMuppet 1925 days ago
The same is true of harimaru777's post. Why single out zozbot234's post to get all debate-standards-of-technicalities huffy about? It makes you look like you have a one-sided axe to grind.

And, if we're really going to get technical, nobody asked a question. Both harimaru777 and zozbot234 gave opinions, but nobody posed a question to be answered.

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harimau777 1926 days ago
I'm not sure what you mean. Republicans don't have a platform for addressing issues such as inequality, racism, criminal justice reform, gerrymandering, global warming, etc. They either deny that the problems exist or advocate the same policies that they have for decades.
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zozbot234 1926 days ago
Republicans have been playing a leading role on criminal justice reform, actually. Some of the earliest voices pushing for it were conservative ones, well before there even was such a thing as a BLM movement. The fact that Dems and progressives more generally will never acknowledge this suggests that their commitment to genuine social justice is rather shallow. Biden and Harris were both known as proponents of failing "tough on crime" policies until very recently, when they basically flip-flopped on the issue with zero explanation or public self-criticism of their previous stances. Riding the BLM bandwagon, nothing more than that.
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harimau777 1925 days ago
Republicans definitely deserve credit for the work they have done on criminal justice reform. The law he signed is about the only thing that I think Trump did right.

What of the other issues that I listed?

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jkingsbery 1925 days ago
Agreed, but citations needed:

http://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/docume...

http://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/documen...

http://www.vatican.va/content/john-xxiii/en/encyclicals/docu...

http://www.vatican.va/content/john-xxiii/en/encyclicals/docu...

http://www.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/encyclicals/documen...

http://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/encyclicals/do...

http://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/encyclicals/do...

http://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/encyclicals/do...

http://www.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/encyclicals/do...

http://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/docum...

http://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/apost_exhortation...

These are just a few examples. Besides that, there is all the work that Catholic, Christian and other religious organizations due in charity work and providing the only functioning schools in a community.

There is also a more libertarian-leaning (i.e., people who don't like being called "conservative") approach that points out (1) capitalism has done more to lift people from poverty than any other human invention, and (2) too often, government regulations actually get in the way of social justice (see, e.g., housing regulations).

It strikes me as stunningly ignorant that someone can believe that there is no "conservative position on social justice."

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