[SilverRed]

>there is a problem with your expectations.

The legal system needs to blame someone. If the system fails and it kills someone, whos fault is it? Currently its most likely the drivers fault because its their job to ensure everything is ok and brake manually if they see something.

[MereInterest]

If something is known to be dangerous for any human driver, and is implemented anyways, then that seems like reason to have liability with the design of the system. If your brakes required solving a rubik's cube to activate, that would be poor design. This is no different. Humans cannot maintain attention on tasks that require sporadic but high-intensity attention.

[probably_wrong]

If that happened to me and the legal system tried to blame me, I would bring a pile of papers and several experts on human attention research. They would testify that humans don't work that way and that the car maker was being either stupid or malicious.

I believe that the only reason Uber, Waymo, and friends have gotten away with "it's the drivers job" is because there aren't that many autonomous cars around and no one was brought to court yet.

[jfim]

> I believe that the only reason Uber, Waymo, and friends have gotten away with "it's the drivers job"

Waymo doesn't do L2 or L3, only L4 autonomy. In the case where the AV is at fault for an accident, it would be due to the system as there is no human driver in the vehicle.

[colechristensen]

There are plenty of cases where a human preventable accident held the manufacturer of some object to be financially liable, this is how self driving will end.

A cute upper middle class child doing something innocent will get killed by a car being operated mostly correctly with a driver who could have prevented the accident if they were more alert to the controls.

[hilbertseries]

Corporations have been killing people for a long time. The early cars were death traps that would almost certainly kill you if you got in an accident. Cigarette companies kill their customers and used to tell them it was good for their health. I’m very skeptical self driving cars will be stopped by people dying. The company would be liable and there’d be a payout, same as always.