[gm]

Genuinely curious: Has change of this magnitude ever been achieved entirely by voting? It feels to me like it can only be achieved by revolution (ie, replacing the government entirely with a new government that does what the people actually want). I very well could be wrong.

[jiriknesl]

> that does what the people actually want

A problem is, that there's no such thing. There's a common denominator (punishing killers, rapists, thiefs), but this is what punish all governments anyway.

When you go past this point, people's interests are atomized.

[AshWolfy]

They can be forced to do what we want, through means like protest and strike, at least in the short term

[ldbooth]

indirectly thru elected representatives, legislation, I think so but I'm no political historian. Problem we've got now that you touch on is the judiciary gave this to corps through a 50 year push. Can we get citizens united overturned...