[1MoreThing]

This gets at one of the core beliefs lots of people seem to have about socialism: that human nature means it will be implemented poorly.

It's pretty hard to test that out, though, when one side of the political spectrum is so convinced it will happen that they devote a significant amount of political effort to making sure it happens, preventing us from ever finding out what a well-funded and run socialist experiment would look like in the US.

[mdpopescu]

Sure, the experiment failed everywhere / everyWHEN else, but we're special. /more sarcasm

[pietrovismara]

Don't expect people to take you seriously if you just bring sarcasm tags and no factual arguments to the table...

[captainredbeard]

Pointing out that there have been zero sustainable and non-authoritarian socialist entities EVER is a very strong factual argument, FWIW.

[pastacacioepepe]

> socialist entities EVER is a very strong factual argument

But it's false.

Vietnam works for example, it even handled covid much better than other turbo capitalist powers.

And every socialist experiment has been characterized by different approaches and circumstances.

Rather than a factual argument, it's more an uninformed generalization, that sounds too close to the propaganda we are pushed on by media/politicians.

Do you want a strong factual argument?

Despite their claims, not a single capitalist nation has managed to solve poverty. And they won't ever, because without poverty there can't be the hierarchy much needed to force people to behave like cogs into the capitalist machine.