[Number157]

> For some reason it's ok to criticize someone's eating habits, but not their reproductive ones.

For some reason yes... like remember the guy with the funny looking mustache?

The problem is everyone who makes some form of this argument tends to think it's the other people there should be fewer of.

[Cthulhu_]

First, there's a difference between population control and genocide, but I'm sure you're aware of that.

Anyway your other point is great: the rich and socialist countries are naturally controlling the population by reduced birth rates, so when someone mentions a comment like that they specifically mean poor and / or brown people.

To get 'natural' population reduction, we need a worldwide policy of wealth, health care, and sexual education. For the last point, it's important to note that it requires deprogramming. To be very blunt, the Catholic Church has brainwashed generations to reproduce as much as they can. That damage has to be undone.

[phkahler]

>> so when someone mentions a comment like that they specifically mean poor and / or brown people.

>> To get 'natural' population reduction, we need a worldwide policy of wealth, health care, and sexual education. For the last point, it's important to note that it requires deprogramming. To be very blunt, the Catholic Church has brainwashed generations to reproduce as much as they can. That damage has to be undone.

So I'm a racist for bringing up population as an issue, but you get to point to policy solutions and blaming religion?

Thanks.

[JumpCrisscross]

> I'm a racist for bringing up population as an issue, but you get to point to policy solutions and blaming religion?

I don't think anyone reasonably accused you of racism.

The reality of demographics mean population control amounts to rich, predominantly white nations telling poor, predominantly brown nations to have fewer kids. The problem isn't race per se. It's the racial discrepancy making most solutions politically untenable.

[RIMR]

Yes, absolutely.

Anyone that thinks that "population control" is a good idea is a eugenicist inviting genocide. You would have to be racist to suggest it without seeing it as violent and evil.

There's no wiggle-room here. You made a Hitler-tier suggestion on how we deal with human beings living on this Earth. Reflect upon what you said a little and reconsider how you view the third world.

[mint2]

There was more to the mustached madman than genocide, in fact the genocide sprung out of eugenics, or at least a common parent belief. Eugenics is most definitely about specifying whom is allowed to reproduce.

[RIMR]

There is virtually no difference between "population control" and genocide. Nobody tries to control their own people's reproduction, they try to control other peoples' reproduction.

Nobody argues that the USA is overpopulated and needs population control, but tons of people argue that the entire continent of Africa is overpopulated and needs population control. It couldn't be more obvious that demographics play a role in who has population control enforced, and who doesn't.

You could just as easily allow people from "overpopulated Africa" to move to the USA and balance things out, but it would be easier for racists to force abortions and sterilizations on Africans than allow black-skinned immigrants to relocate into their communities.

If you're deliberately trying to prevent certain demographics of people from being born, that's genocide. This notion that genocide requires mass-murder is ignorant and dangerous. Eugenics is genocide, full stop.

And no, "population control" cannot ever be implemented equitably, don't even start.

[JumpCrisscross]

> Nobody tries to control their own people's reproduction

China [1]. Famously. Also, contraceptives.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy