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by Spivak 1933 days ago
Look, this isn't the whole picture and it super misleading. Just because humans survived with a particular diet doesn't mean that they wouldn't have been healthier had they eaten meat. You can't just point to historical populations who didn't have widespread access to animal products and be like "see they lived."

I'm not saying your not correct that vegetarian diets are fine from a health perspective but this isn't evidence of it.
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arrrg 1933 days ago
Don’t you have the burden of proof exactly reversed?
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mft_ 1933 days ago
It's not just that vegetarian diets are "fine" - there's actually a wealth of evidence that a meat-free diet is far healthier - in terms of risk of heart disease, high blood pressure, type-2 diabetes, and various forms of cancer, for example.

https://nutritionfacts.org/introduction/

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serverholic 1933 days ago
Fyi, the creator of that website (Dr. Gregor) can be pretty biased. If you google reviews of his books (from other doctors) you'll see that he sometimes leaves out important details from the studies he cites.
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Bancakes 1933 days ago
Thhere's also evidence for the contrary. If you care about any dieting at all and watch your micros and macros, you will invariably be above average in health.
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mft_ 1933 days ago
Really? There's a body of evidence that a meat-containing diet is protective against heart disease, type-2 diabetes, high blood pressure, and cancer, versus a plant-based diet?

I'd genuinely be very interested for those sources to be shared, please...

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buckthundaz 1933 days ago
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/78/4/734/4690022?login...

https://www.healthline.com/health/diabetes/carnivore-diet-fo...

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La1n 1932 days ago
That first study compares to meat-containing diets with each other, see the methods section.

edit: I also have some doubts on the care taken in this study and it's peer-review. As there is an easy to spot mistake in table 2 (the dietary fat section).

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buckthundaz 1932 days ago
Studies on human nutrition are extremely limited. If you'd like to see a case reports about keto eating putting Diabetes Type 2 in remission see below:

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fendo.2019.0034...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1325029/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7342268/

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Bancakes 1933 days ago
I meant it as trial results that don't show meaningful gains from vegan diets.
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