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by tim333 1940 days ago
Though I'd say the governments there are fairly secure. The Vietnamese communist party has been in power since 1945, China's since '49 and the Cambodian lot only got kicked out when Pol Pot, after having genocided a third of the population, attacked Vietnam who then invaded and got rid of him, and the new lot have been in power since 1984. Sadly throwing opponents in jail seems to kind of work. This of course predates facebook.
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unityByFreedom 1940 days ago
That remains to be seen. The world has been trending towards democracy for a few hundred years.
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orestarod 1940 days ago
Bold statement. Power however is still not trending towards the people's hands in any case.
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unityByFreedom 1939 days ago
Not so bold, see this chart [1]

Do you have a better system in mind for trending power towards people's hands?

[1] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-pop-by-political-re...

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orestarod 1937 days ago
I did not comment on whether democracy or "democracy" is the best system for putting power at people's hands. That's another discussion.

My objections is whether we have actually been moving towards democracy or not. To just slap "democracy" or "republic" in the name of a state is not enough to make it so. It's how much autocratic the governors actually are and how much of the political decisions the population is actually able to define, that decides that.

In Greece, for example, government is in reality autocratic and people don't have much say. The only single check in place are the elections, but 1) You have to hope the other options are not just as bad as the current, which is unfortunately not the case, and 2) the established "aristocracy" has been doing a damn good job at managing people's opinions through the controlled media.

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unityByFreedom 1937 days ago
You're not locked up for criticizing the government or aristocracy in Greece. That's something. I agree that media, both traditional and the new social media, can be heavily influenced if not controlled by aristocracy. Democracy won't save you, it simply allows you to save yourself if you work very very hard to do so. My impression of Greece has been that it's a beautiful country full of great people that finds itself in hard times. Democracy isn't the cause of Greece's woes. As you say, people need to be better informed. Perhaps we should all go back to blogging on our own domain names, or at least encourage people to also take control of their social media content by using distributed systems. Clearly democracy + centralized social media isn't good enough.
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