[loceng]

Arguably what works really depends on your relationship, the trust you have or don't have yet with the dog. And we're all mostly speaking without referencing what exactly the positive or negative reenforcement methods we're even talking about, so it's a fairly shallow level of discussion missing the nuances.

[dagmx]

It's not shallow because the comment specifically referenced Cesar's methods. They're very strongly negative reinforcement without much nuance.