[2cb]

The distinction Apple makes is that iAds don't "track" you because they don't use cross-site or cross-app tracking in third party services the same way Facebook or Google do.

Apple is of course still performing data collection for targeted iAds, but that's the reason they don't call it "tracking."

If you go to Settings > Privacy > Apple Advertising on iOS it tells you so:

"The Apple advertising platform does not track you. It is designed to protect your privacy and does not follow you across apps and websites owned by other companies. You have control over how Apple uses your information."

Note that I'm not necessarily agreeing that what Apple does doesn't fall under the description of "tracking." Just pointing out why Apple calls what Facebook does "tracking" but not their own iAds.

[peterwoerner]

You assume that Apple is telling the truth. The cynic in me thinks that they narrowed the definition of tracking and follow in a legal sense but not in the way we would think of it. Or they are outright lying. It is also possible that it isn't apple doing it but a third party doing it on Apples behalf.

[2cb]

The burden of proof would be on you to prove Apple is using third parties to track its users in that case. Without proof it's just a goofy conspiracy theory.

My first question would be... why? What's their motivation?

Facebook has to track users to make money, it's their entire business model.

The same is not true of Apple, who make almost all their profits from hardware sales and are worth over $2 trillion.

Going out of their way to get a third party to secretly spy on users on their behalf sounds like far more effort and risk than it's worth to me. It's not like they're desperate for extra cash.

And it's not like it'd be impossible to find out if it was indeed the case. iOS gets reverse engineered all the time. I can see all the traffic my iPhone sends through my DNS logs. If this hypothetical third party was embedded in iOS spying on user activity, it'd be spotted quite easily and quickly.

So I ask again, why would Apple do that? Aside from being a total PR nightmare it'd be straight up illegal.

I trust Apple because I don't see what reason they have to lie when they've built a multi-trillion dollar business without tracking their users already.

[simonh]

It's possible they're lying, that's true, but I think it's unlikely a secret like that could be kept long term. Employees have no reason to remain loyal when no longer employed by Apple and partner company employees would have to know about it too. The reputation damage would be catastrophic, so IMHO it seems unlikely they would take such a reckless risk.

So it's a matter of making a call between using vendors we know for a fact are tracking you, some of which have lied about it (see, hard to keep these things secret), or one that at least claims not to and has a lot to lose if caught out.

[giantrobot]

> Or they are outright lying.

It seems unlikely Apple is going to outright lie about something like that considering it could open them up to serious legal liability (CCPA, GDPR, etc).