[koonsolo]

This is my personal opinion, so don't take it too hard. But your post triggers my BS alert.

First of all, how many CTO's do you know? And how many of them are good?

Second, is this "mentor-mentee" thing real, or just something business coaches and get-rich-quick gurus claim? Never seen it in the real world.

I'm an old timer. Most of my experience comes from experience. Most of my intellect comes from books an articles written by people who know what they are talking about. Claiming that the latter is a waste of time seems very wrong advice to me.

But maybe your mentor told you differently.

[PragmaticPulp]

> Second, is this "mentor-mentee" thing real, or just something business coaches and get-rich-quick gurus claim? Never seen it in the real world.

Have you ever learned from one of your more senior coworkers or peers? Worked alongside someone who showed you the ropes or helped you level up your skills? Then you've been a mentee.

Have you ever taken time to guide new hires or junior coworkers in something you're familiar with? Provided advice to accelerate someone's learning? Then you've been a mentor.

Mentor/mentee usually isn't an explicit declaration. It's a very valuable way to accelerate skills, though not the only way.

[koonsolo]

Sure I had those, but it's more explicit when you are one of the many programmers taking advice from a senior programmer.

In the case of a CTO, since it's a unque role, you have to go outside of your company to get mentored. And that doesn't seem so straight forward to me. Because asking a colleague about a problem you are facing is way easier than calling someone and talking about your problem at your work.

Maybe I'm ignorant about this topic, and maybe such things are more normal in US than here in EU. Such things go really against my nature, but I aslo never seen such relationship outside of the same company.

[yowlingcat]

> Maybe I'm ignorant about this topic, and maybe such things are more normal in US than here in EU.

If you're ignorant about the topic, why not explore the other perspective with curiosity rather than gruffly dismissing it as provoking a BS sensor? Mentorship is an enormous part of the lifecycle of executive tenure of the ecosystem I participate in, which is the NYC startup ecosystem.

I've observed that when my colleagues have built a deep relationship with their manager during their tenure, often times, they gain that mentorship permanently whether they stay at the company or not. The reason the mentor does it is because it's just another version of the old adage of paying it forward -- they know that a job they land in the future could come from one of their old reports; in fact, they might even end up working for one of their old reports!

Investing time and energy into cultivating and keeping these relationships going is a large part of how my colleagues have continued to keep their career moving upward as they approach mid-career.

[koonsolo]

It seems my BS sensor went off too fast ;).

I guess this mentality is common to startup scenes, but not really outside of that world.

[yowlingcat]

> I'm an old timer. Most of my experience comes from experience. Most of my intellect comes from books an articles written by people who know what they are talking about. Claiming that the latter is a waste of time seems very wrong advice to me.

I wonder if you're making my point for me. As an old-timer, what you bring to the table that's more valuable than gold is hard fought experience -- not the things you've read. It's easy to read things, but to actually apply them and be responsible for their long-term consequences is rather different.

To answer your other question, I know quite a few CTOs. In particular, there are two that I know very well because I worked for them on the ground-floor building $1B+ startups at the seed-series A stage. So much of what I know came from observing what they did, asking for help, asking them to explain how they came to certain conclusions or made certain major decisions. I wanted to take apart how they did things even if I wasn't responsible for them, so I could put it back together and understand how it works. Not only that, but I kept in touch with them afterwards and found them very valuable sounding boards for when I gave my first CTO gig a shot.

[koonsolo]

It's true that experience is harder to get than knowledge from reading. But I still think reading offers a huge amount of benefit that you cannot get from experience.

One thing is that it opens up a world that is broader to your own. Another thing is that it can provide clear mental models that you probably won't figure out yourself, and that you can observe only after you know the theory.

Let me give you a clear example.

Early in my career I had to manage a junior. At the time I was reading The 7 Habits Of Highly Effective People. I applied the "stewardship delegation" from that book to the letter. It worked perfect. In my 19 year career, I apply it all the time, with great success (it also works on your kids :D).

But nobody I know knows about it. I could have never learned one of the most important things, from experience alone.

Even when you look at people like Bill Gates for example, they also still seem to get great value out of reading.

Thanks for the conversation, and sorry for my snarky remark, I admit I was wrong judging you :)

[skullgrid]

I have a pretty good relationship with my boss (not a CTO, but a member of the executive leadership at my company). I definitely do consider her a mentor to me, and I am certain that she considers me a mentee. Over the last few years she has explicitly gone out of her way to help me improve my leadership skills. Not saying that this is kind of relationship is common or not, but it does exist.

I do agree with the overall content of your post, though.

[staticautomatic]

Perhaps we should add “Don’t say things like ‘The most leveraged way to learn how to CTO’.” to the list.

[yowlingcat]

> Perhaps we should add “Don’t say things like ‘The most leveraged way to learn how to CTO’.” to the list.

Please leave the unnecessary snarkiness for other forums. I could have said "The most leveraged way to operate as a technology executive" but that's rather wordy. More than happy to engage with any substantive critiques you have with my point of view. It's what has worked for me, and it's based on my own experience.

[staticautomatic]

My comment is both a substantive critique of how you communicate and a commentary on executive communication.

[yowlingcat]

> My comment is both a substantive critique of how you communicate and a commentary on executive communication.

Once you strip out the pedantic remark, you haven't actually said anything. I think your actual silence speaks volumes and makes my point for me.

[staticautomatic]

If you think that’s how leaders of companies should talk and that people who criticize you for talking like that should be written off as pedants then good luck to you.