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by Fellshard 1937 days ago
I assume that you're buying straight from the suppliers instead of through the many-tiered energy brokerage that is used down here.
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But how is this bad?
The usual wholesale price of electricity is around $0.11 per kWh. The retail price of electricity is around $0.16 per kWh. So you save about $0.05 per kWh used in an average month -- not bad! That's a free $20!

Until a "100 year" storm comes along, and makes the wholesale price of electricity $9 per kWh. Now instead of saving $20, you owe $8,800 more than usual.

I had the service for 2 years. Most months I saved $50-100.

Until this month wiped out my savings the entire time (I was able to jump ship soon enough to "only" rack up $1300 of electric bills with them lol)

If I was saving $50-100, I would have put the extra towards a decent generator.
So the "tiered brokerage" middle men make it more expensive on average by cheaper when wholesale spikes?
I saved around $1700/year on Griddy due to some very simple smart home automation. My goal this year was to push it much further than that, alas.
Do you have any documentation or recommended reads for how and what you did? I've been thinking of doing something similar but wondering what parts make most sense to automate
Most likely heating and cooling is what take up the cast majority of your bill, unless you have something more unusual going on.
Electric cars can match or exceed AC as another big source.
As I understand it, there are two ways to purchase electricity in Texas:

1) a fixed rate per kilowatt hour, regardless of what the wholesale cost is. 2) a variable rate per kilowatt hour, which is wholesale cost.

If supply is up and demand is low, wholesale prices drop, so the customer pays less per kWh and ostensibly less per month. In that same vein, if supply is down and demand is high (like when power plants literally freeze and supply from other sources can only trickle in), wholesale prices rise and this increase is passed directly to the consumer.

On the other hand, fixed rate consumers pay the same per kWh regardless of whether the wholesale cost is high or low.

So when prices skyrocket to $9/kWh, wholesale customers are on the hook for it, but fixed rate customers will still be enjoying 10.98[1] cents (yes, that's $00.1098) per kWh because their utility provider has to deal with it.

[1] https://www.electricitylocal.com/states/texas/

> As I understand it, there are two ways to purchase electricity in Texas:

You are correct, but I feel this phrasing vastly overstates how common Griddy's real time pricing is (well... was). Griddy was a startup and the only provider offering this type of plan. A few of my techy coworkers used them, but most people wouldn't have even been aware this was possible.

Because electricity demand was too inelastic, the pricing signal was set extremely high by ERCOT. So folks go saddled with ~$8000 electricity bills for that month.
Because you get a $10,000 electricity bill?