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by Veen 1943 days ago
Perhaps we should advocate consistency. Either shaming and punishment works to discourage unwanted behaviour or it doesn't. If it does, then perhaps we should start shaming obese people and crack addicts.

P.S. Before the downvotes come, I'm rather fat and a mostly ex-smoker, so I'm not attacking obese people, just wondering at the inconsistency.
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smichel17 1943 days ago
I think the two are not quite equivalent. Smoking is the action, while obesity is the condition. The equivalent would be shaming smokers for getting cancer or shaming obese people for overeating (to nitpickers: yes, this is a simplification).

The main difference seems to be that smoking in public inflicts secondhand smoke on others, while obesity inflicts... taking up more room on public transit? IF shaming is effective at curbing public smoking, and there is no shaming for smoking in private, then I think you could have a logically consistent position.

I don't know if the first of those is true, and the second definitely isn't (although maybe a different level of intensity), so I'm not saying there is consistency, just that it's possible.

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SMAAART 1943 days ago
We can all agree that "shaming" is not good; but at the same time we should not promote/encourage behaviors that leads to negative outcomes.

So, generic "smoke is bad for you", "overeating is bad for you", "junk food is bad for you"; and positive reinforcements like "say no to smoke", "say no to junk food" would be a good start.

And if some groups comes out and state that those messages are "shaming" well, those people are idiots.

P.S.: ex-smoker and ex-fat person here

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Clubber 1943 days ago
>and positive reinforcements like "say no to smoke", "say no to junk food" would be a good start.

I mean why do people feel it's their duty to get into someone else's life? How about assume fat people and people who smoke know it's bad for them and just leave them alone. I think people in society would be much better off of they worried themselves with their own lives. I guess that's a lot harder than pointing out other people's problems though.

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zepto 1943 days ago
> we should start shaming obese people and crack addicts

Where do you live where obese people and crack addicts are not shamed?

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rstupek 1943 days ago
Don't we already shame obese people?
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