[mhoad]

You know it really isn’t that obvious to me at all and I think Facebook is a genuine cancer on society.

But everyone seems to conveniently forget about the absolute moral nightmare that is Apple’s supply chain.

Remember when they had to put up nets to stop people from killing themselves? [1]

What about when they were accused of using literal slave labour? [2]

Or the time they actively lobbied Congress when a vote came up to restrict American companies using slave labour [3]

I don’t say this as a shit post, I mean it, it’s really not at all clear to me that Apple are somehow morally less reprehensible.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/the-human-cost-of-an-...

[2] https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale

[3] https://www.axios.com/apple-lobbied-congress-uyghur-slave-la...

For the record... this posted from an iPhone. I got rid of the MacBook already but it’s a process.

[simonh]

If you cared about ethical treatment of labour in China, presumably you’d prefer to buy products from a company that rigorously audited its supply chain, excluded suppliers they caught violating it, ensured workers were paid above average industry wages and had below average suicide rates in their suppliers, right?

Presumably if you were going to criticise companies using Chinese suppliers, a company like that wouldn’t be top of your list. Or is there something else going on here?

[mhoad]

I don't know why people are like this. You can be pro human rights and also not dedicate your entire life to supply chain audits.

I'm making a point that the largest company in the world not only does so but actively took steps to ensure they wouldn't be legally prevented from doing so in the future.

[simonh]

This is not correct, I've seen it said here several times so I looked into it. Apple lobbied for some amendments to the act on the grounds of practicality but did not oppose it and said they thought it should become law.

[reaperducer]

everyone seems to conveniently forget about the absolute moral nightmare that is Apple’s supply chain

No, everyone hasn't. Apple has its problems, too, and nobody denies that. But arguments like yours amount to no more than "Hey, look over there! Don't look at Facebook, look at this other thing!"

Deflection. Whataboutism. Call it what you will.

[mhoad]

What are you talking about?

I am responding to someone calling Apple a hero. I did nothing other than to point out the fact that like many things in life, it's not that simple.

There is no attempt to help Facebook or whatever you had in mind, that was your own projection. We can talk about 2 issues at the same time.

[cmorgan31]

Where did they mention Apple being a hero? They said lesser of two evils unless it’s an edit.

[musha68k]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism