[sweden]

I have this experience more with HN rather then Reddit. Granted that the popular subreddits are quite overloaded with "normies" but I still visit lesser know communities that still keep their spirit and a solid user base.

HN on the other hand suffers from having just "one subreddit" and it became quite bad over the past years.

[mjfl]

I consistently have intelligent discussions on HN. Disagreement is tolerated and hashed out. This does NOT happen on Reddit now. Reddit is unambiguously worse in that aspect.