[adrianb]

And I think a valuable COVID lesson is: once a natural process is started (the virus spreading worldwide) we don't have much power to stop it. But we can successfully mitigate it by developing vaccines in record time and manufacturing them in large scales.

Similarly, for global warming it would be a waste of time and effort to try to stop the natural process (limit human activity to revert the temperature increase) and instead focus our innovation and resources into mitigation (carbon capture, green energy, fortifying coast lines...)

[gmuslera]

There are reaction time after which the problem becomes something different and harder to solve.

With COVID letting it become so widespread with not enough protection before the vaccines, means that more people got the disease, the virus got more opportunities to mutate, and new strains are coming out, some of which could be more fatal or maybe resistent to vaccines. Getting late may makes it harder to solve, if possible at all.

With global warming is worse. Is not just stopping emissions, but what we already emitted is already driving the change. And positive feedback is already being triggered, with less albedo because less ice in the north pole, methane emissions in northern places like Siberia and Canada, and each time more frequent/bigger forest fires. So to slow it down you don't just have to capture the equivalent of what we emit (100k barrels/day makes a lot of greenhouse gases, think in 0.5-1 ton of greenhouse gases per barrel, and you have coal and others to take into account too), but also the amount we already emitted, and what comes from positive feedback (that eventually could become orders above of what we emit).

And I'm talking about greenhouse gases, not heat in particular, you are not dealign directly with warming addressing the gases, so that is something that should be taken into account regarding mitigation.

[dools]

Some nations stopped it. I live in Australia and aside from a handful of days long lockdowns life has basically been normal. China stopped it and they have heaps of people. The US failed spectacularly because it was being run by a bunch of anarcho capitalists

[ekianjo]

> Australia

It's fairly easy to prevent stuff from entering the country when you are an island. Singapore also had no problem in doing it. Notice some kind of pattern?

> China stopped it and they have heaps of people

Do you trust any data coming from China? Because North Korea also claimed they had zero death from COVID.

Also, it's fairly clear by now that there is some genetic component with COVID: there are less death in asian ethnic groups compared to others, so having less deaths in China/Japan/Korea is consistent in that regard anyway.

> The US failed spectacularly

Comparing to death rates across Europe, not that much different actually. Media brainwashing much?

[dools]

Yes you are clearly the victim of media brainwashing.

[rayiner]

The same anarcho capitalists running France, Spain, Italy, Germany, etc?

[dools]

Well ... in a sense, the UK is worst hit and were slow to act because of their right wing governments. In Australia our right wing federal government mishandled things but the states were the ones who kept it under control. The rest of continental Europe has been nowhere near as bad as the US, you guys are a total shit show right now

[rayiner]

France, Italy, and Spain are in the same ballpark as the US. The US is basically tied with Italy and Spain in deaths per capita. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat...

[dools]

Order that data by the final column (deaths in the last 7 days) descending. Spain and Italy were both hit relatively early, and many European countries are suffering second and third waves because of lockdown fatigue and libertarian propaganda on Facebook. But the US winter has been absolute mayhem and it was all driven by trump trying to get re elected by hook or by crook.