[fallentimes]

Yankee apologists are bad enough. Now we have fat people apologists. It really isn't hard: exercise moderately, take walk breaks, get enough sleep, consume primarily vegetables then fruit then meat/carbs. Eat five small meals a day and focus on lower calories.

[william42]

Yankee apologists?

[ars]

Did you actually read the article? Rather than "It really isn't hard" what you wrote does not work.

[kingkongrevenge]

Who the hell could eat primarily vegetables? You'd be on the shitter half the day.

Also, a fruit heavy diet is particularly bad for weight loss. Humans don't deal with fructose too well.

[menloparkbum]

It depends on the vegetables. I eat mostly vegetables, chicken and fish and don't have that problem.

[fallentimes]

I do and I'm not. You should eat a lot more vegetables than fruit - I should have articulated that better.

I'm not saying you have to follow such a diet, but the fattie excuses are laughable when solutions are right in front of them. For more information on diet: http://www.lesmills.com/files/globalcentral/Consumers/Health...

[kingkongrevenge]

The "seven a day" recommendation seems to be baseless myth. Nobody can figure out where it came from. Surveys find no correlation to life span or health beyond two servings of vegetables a day.

[fallentimes]

Interesting - do you happen to have a source? Here's some for me:

http://docnews.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/3/10/8

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-03-15-fruits-vegeta...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070415183652.ht...

Regardless, I definitely agree with your starch points at the top of the thread.

[kingkongrevenge]

I just quickly went through the references and every one of them is either: a pooled analysis (inscrutable), a relative risk factor analysis (worthless; assumptions piled on assumptions), or doesn't indicate anything about servings.

I have in the past seen actual population studies, not pop media articles, looking at relative vegetable consumption and coming up blank. High rates of heart disease in indian vegetarians, very low rates of heart disease in low vegetable consumption mormons, etc.

Actual controlled experiments (not surveys) come up blank when they feed people more fruit and vegetables than a relatively low cut-off. Of course surveys are going to be very hard to get any useful information out of because of course health conscious people in America will tend to eat vegetables; that doesn't establish causation, only that they follow one piece of advice whether valid or not. Look at these actual experiments:

  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Freese%20R%22[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus

Consistently no significant blood chemistry effects from high fruit/veg diets.

[chandler]

>> High rates of heart disease in indian vegetarians...

Have you ever been to an Indian restaurant and ordered a vegetarian meal? While incredibly flavorful, I wouldn't classify it as even moderately healthy--

[flipbrad]

Tinyurl next time?