[kiliantics]

> I just wish we had stronger social norms against unnecessarily using a car

I feel the same way but with the sentence stopping here

[croddin]

Electric cars are starting to get cheaper than ICE cars and that should contribute to making cities quieter in general.

[kiliantics]

yeah but it won't change how hostile cities are to the people on foot or on bikes, or how much land is destroyed to make way for urban sprawl and other road infrastructure, only a reduction in car use will change that