[Fogest]

If you read the conversation I did stop having discussion with them and told them to stop having a discussion with me.

Facts don't always tell a story or explain the "why". Often times you have to form an opinion based on the facts and that is what you're bringing to the table when discussing stuff. I don't see why I need to explain this concept on a site like this.

[onethought]

You’ve got a pretty hostile nature to the way you reply to people.

Facts actually always tell the story and the “why” is more facts as well.

[Fogest]

The "why" can be more facts but it is not always. Sometimes people create opinions based on facts when a causation is not known.

People also create factually incorrect opinions such as implying police are racist towards black people because they are arrested more. This is them deriving an opinion from a fact about incarcerations. Except the causation is already present, which is that lower income areas simply commit more crimes.

Now I'm not trying to argue about whether you think those facts are correct or not, but I'm using it to illustrate a point. A fact can also be wrong. Maybe the fact was derived from bad research. Opinions and facts can go hand and hand together. I don't know why you're trying to be so binary about it.

I also don't understand how this conversation is productive or is useful in anyway? It seems like we are debating meaningless semantics rather than the heart of the issue.

[onethought]

You clearly aren't out to have a productive conversation. You have an axe to grind on this issue.

I'll take your bait though, see how hard you believe these falsehoods.

Yeah, Police in the US (in some states at least) are racist, now I don't mean individuals necessarily, though I'm sure some are, but institutional (dare I say systemic) racism exists in the system. Incarceration rates are a good correlative bit of evidence, arrest rates, court dismissals for whites at a higher rate than blacks... like take your pick. No evidence (or fact) supports your position at all. Happy for your to bring the data to prove me wrong here.

You can hide behind economics if you like and try to argue "poor people commit more crime" - but then how do you explain incarceration rates of blacks given there are more poor white people than poor black people in the US?

You haven't illustrated any point. Just that you have opinions, with little fact, and seem triggered by people referencing white male privilege.