[metalliqaz]

I don't know what it means to define consciousness without self awareness. Sounds like just emergent behaviors.

[MaxBarraclough]

> I don't know what it means to define consciousness without self awareness

Any entity capable of suffering presumably counts as being conscious. (I'm not claiming the converse here, though.) I don't see an obvious reason why every entity capable of suffering must necessarily be capable of self awareness.

With the right blend of psychotropics, I suspect it would be possible to dissolve a person's sense of self while still causing them to suffer. They would still count as being conscious.

Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24910009

[elindbe3]

A lot of animals (such as insects) aren't self aware. I still think they have some form of consciousness.

Emergent behaviors by themselves aren't goal-oriented.

[grassmudhorse]

Or, from an insects perspective:

"The swarm doesn't think humans are swarm-aware. Swarm still thinks they have some form of consciousness"

[grassmudhorse]

I don't know what it means to define self-awareness without consciousness. Sounds like just emergent behaviors.