[doublerabbit]

Thank you for the reply and pointing me the knowledge of such. I'm not American, so if a space agency ever makes the news its is only ever thrown around as "NASA X" "SpaceX Y".

Space really doesn't interest me, maybe it should. So it would be fair to say I am dumb on the subject and I would agree. Maybe it shows in my post. But my interests are on that we tackle those climate issues in the present now rather then waiting for an spinoff for a cure all. I don't disagree that the spin-offs are not great achievements. I want Lasek someday.

Geothermal, Renewable tech and the so is where my interests aim and I just don't see what the current space missions are achieving. Why do we need a lunar gateway? It feels like there is a whole private class wanting space to be their thing.

It would be fair to say there could be a rock on Mars or other distance planet that I dunno, could resolve environmental issue X. But when I see immature posts from entrepreneurs such as Elon, other rich classes such as Jeff, Richard Branson toying with new rocket can achieve turbo flames using precious resources turns me the other way. Especially when they're the ones contributing to the environmental problems we currently live with. That's what leaves me unconvinced. And yes you could say Elon's venture of Tesla is start of the electric car revolution but that should of happened many years ago. But is better then nothing.

It's hard to take a positive stance that space exploration is for the good when we have governments of evil, greed wanting to watch, control and who currently rule the planet that way and sure would love to rule the universe in the same nasty way. Same with technology used as a snooping device, data mining and monitoring for other big companies. How can you convince me that Starlink isn't being used to spy on others? The internet is a waste-land as it is.

I am not saying stop all space exploration nor that we shouldn't fund such programs but there is so much time & investment in to space lately that could be funneled in to beneficial fixes to the environmental problems of the now allowing produce of real technology rather waiting for the next spin-off. Anytime I come across something space, it looks and feels gritty for selfish greed rather then to help cause X of this planet. If there was a vibe of "Mars travel and we are going to work on solving environmental problems too" then I would view it differently.

Lets face it, there has never been true money pushed forward to resolving on-land problems and we let those who destroy off the hook.

[adolph]

If you are interested in climate issues and renewable tech, then some aspects of the "Great Filter" concept [0] are probably in mind, especially those having to do with "Global Catastrophic Risk," [1] of which climate change is one. Others include events sourced outside the Earth such as a large asteroid strike or a large solar flare. These are events of unknown likelihood and vast impact. A space program is insurance against that in that humans might have warning or be able to do something about it one day. No space program means we are on borrowed time.

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_catastrophic_risk

[doublerabbit]

And I don't double that space programs do not create insurance against such. But from the articles I see, the target is Mars, not stopping an asteroid hitting the planet.

However, thank you the further resources on such.