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by ddbb33 1942 days ago
I then wonder what is the point of then including Tor.
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People in places like the UK just need a quick and easy way to evade website blocks.

> Access to this website has been blocked under an Order of the Higher Court.

> Any TalkTalk customer affected by the Court Order has a right under the Court Order to apply to vary or discharge it. Any such application must:

> (i) clearly indicate the identity and status of the applicant;

> (ii) be supported by evidence setting out and justifying the grounds of the application; and

> (iii) be made on 10 days notice to all of the parties to the Court Order.

> For further details click here. https://community.talktalk.co.uk/t5/Articles/Blocked-website...

There are gonna be 0 chances of getting a waiver. You would probably have to be law enforcement/lawyer's with a talktalk connection and involvement in the case.
Switch to an ISP that doesn't do censorship and so isn't subject to these orders. Andrews & Arnold. The big ISPs all wanted to be "family friendly" by doing DNS blocking, but A&A isn't interested in "friendly" so it has no capability to do that. When courts issued these rulings they all say obviously if you don't have blocking you can't and needn't block this thing either.

They are not a budget offering, and they don't believe in "unlimited" bandwidth, but their prices are fair and the service is excellent.

It's the difference between hiding a joint in your safe so there's less chance the cops find it and marching to just make weed legal.

Iirc, I think most people do not have a choice of isp where they live
In the UK, which is what we're talking about, the situation goes like this:

For most people there is FTTC or FTTP owned by "Openreach" the successor to the national telephone monopoly which thus owns most of the "last mile" of copper cable either under pavements in urban areas or hanging from telegraph poles elsewhere.

Openreach doesn't offer service to end users, its products are wholesale only, ISPs buy the wholesale product, at prices fixed by regulation, and sell Internet service (they also of course need to buy backhaul, routers, set up a call centre and so on, Openreach just makes the "last mile" work)

Thus, most big UK ISPs are using Openreach and you could switch to any of the others (including A&A), in principle literally overnight, since all the physical infrastructure is unchanged, just somebody has to plug different values into a database so they're billing a different ISP and your traffic goes to that ISP not the previous one.

[ Under the hood it's slightly more complicated because you can buy some backhaul from Openreach or from competitors who own long distance fibres. In a major city it may be cheaper to use some startup to get 10Gbps of data from your customers in that city to your data centre in another city, after Openreach gathers it all up somewhere, rather than paying Openreach, who also own fibre, to move that data to your data centre. ]

The main exception is if you have cable TV in your area (most larger cities, some suburban regions) you can choose to buy the DOCSIS service from the only company that owns all large cable TV service in the UK, Virgin Cable. In this case Virgin is your only possible ISP. For maybe 10% of UK residents this is the most practical way to get "good" Internet access, a larger percentage could buy this, but they could also switch to an ISP using Openreach and still get acceptable Internet access.

A relatively small number of users live somewhere with no decent Internet via Openreach, no cable TV, but enough local enthusiasm plus money to bury fibre and build their own network. In these cases again the only ISP is the one that buried the cable, but they're usually community owned, so I guess if they do censorship (and I don't know if they do) you'd be better placed to argue that policy should change than I am.

That’s not a terrible system from the sounds of it. Speaking of fibre, how is the rollout going? It seems like, if private companies own the last mile for fibre, the system described will eventually not really exist in 20ish years as people gradually upgrade?
TOR is a very inefficient way around that if you don't care about privacy.
Yes, but it is freely accessible and doesn't require you to find a free proxy, which might still be a less secure proposition than Tor on Brave.
It's a right-click away for any user. What could be more efficient for brief firewall hops?
Two potential reasons spring to mind:

A) In order to drive Tor adoption and increase the feasibility of normal people hosting sites on Tor, it is necessary that normal people be able to connect to hidden services, even if they themselves are not necessarily reaping the privacy benefits.

If Firefox and Chrome both supported the Tor protocol out of the box then I would be more likely to host content on Tor, because I wouldn't need to tell my family and friends to install a new browser just to access that content.

B) Even though Brave's Tor features are inferior to the Tor browser, they still probably offer some privacy benefit over normal browsing (assuming users are not assuming that the mode is perfectly private).

That being said:

A) It would still be better for Brave to fix issues like this over time, and the leak is worth taking seriously instead of brushing off as a known issue.

B) A warning on a FAQ is not sufficient to handle point B. Brave should be looking into UX methods to make it clear to users that visiting a Tor site does not make them anonymous. Most of the people installing Brave are never going to see that warning.

I’d say more likely than either of those things, it’s just convenient, and it gives them a(nother) selling point over other browsers.

Besides, assuming you live in the West, as long as you aren’t you’re planning a terrorist attack, watching child porn, selling drugs, weapons, assassinations, bomb making materials, etc, then brave will probably do

I would still use TOR for pretty much any dark web activities, but in practicality, as long as you aren’t doing anything that you can imagine a policeman actively hating you for, it’s probably pretty safe

For one, it enables access to hidden services.
Is it true that everyone who browses Tor needs 100% privacy to maintain safety? I'm not very aware, but I've heard that a good part of Tor consists of regular boring pages and blogs that don't involve transactions and aren't necessarily illegal or shady.
My first thought is that frequent and disparate traffic makes Tor more secure against certain attacks. Including Tor in Brave makes Tor better.

Also, I can imagine some instances where you want to obfuscate your IP location to the visited site/service, but don't much care if your DNS requests leak because you're more concerned about the accessed site/service generating a patchwork of locations associated with a specific user and less concerned about your ISP or DNS provider knowing generally that you connect to the site/service.

It was a regression, moving on
I use it just to get around website blocks in my country and institute.