[sirn]

There have been so many times where I started a new project in a new shiny language and ended up coming back to Python because I love SQLAlchemy (and Pyramid) way too much. It's one of the few ORMs out there that doesn't hate you for liking SQL.

[nrmitchi]

> doesn't hate you for liking SQL

This, just 100% this. I'm not a major fan of SQL or anything, however I get very hesitant to use any ORM that tries to imply that you don't need to understand how SQL or the underlying database actually works.

Any time I hear someone say that "SQL won't scale for my app", I assume that some rudimentary query analysis would solve 99% of problems.

[ergo14]

Same here, I'd like to dive into golang. But there is nothing as good as SQLAlchemy. Maybe with generics we will start seeing some projects that can fill the gap.

[enjeyw]

Mmm yeah I had the same experience. My end conclusion for Golang was "don't use an ORM".

[RSHEPP]

This exactly, I use github.com/doug-martin/goqu for some of my projects though. Only the query builder part though.