[pwdisswordfish6]

Such non-Apple laptops with high-quality touchpads exist. Ever used a good Chromebook? The segment making up most of the Linux-using crowd is either ignorant to the problem (not having used good hardware with MacBook-quality touchpads, so not knowing that touchpads don't have to be bad), or is unwilling to actually commit to the machines that come with them. Loud fans are another thing.

I ordered a laptop from a prominent Linux laptop vendor, and it already seemed overpriced at the time of purchase, but I got assured by someone that it would be worth it. When it arrived, the fan noise and the fact that the touchpad was not just bad but actually the worst I'd ever used led to me wondering, "is this a joke?" (I sent it back after a week of dread and misery.) The fact that this was a flagship product is evidence of the wildly different standards of quality that come from personal experience, like people who just assume that things like their bathroom habits or their childhood upbringing are normal and shared by everyone.

[toyg]

Fans are my big worry, as I prepare to move off macs. An MBP is virtually fanless when not attached to an external monitor or strained by games. Not “there is a bit of a whirr but you get used to it” - it’s actual silence. It’s so difficult to get something like that from non-Apple, and it seems impossible with Linux. Unfortunately it’s also the sort of thing you cannot really judge by specs.

[ktpsns]

I have a ThinkPad X1 Yoga since five years (gen1, 2016-19, gen2 since last year) and it is silent 99% of the time. You have to run with full load several minutes for turning up the fan. This is especially valid for the aluminium ThinkPad. Running Linux on it, never Windows :)

[acoard]

What laptop did you order? Was it a Clevo?