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by thgaway17 1955 days ago
There’s all sorts of age, gender, and racial diversity in that photo. Just no black faces.
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So what and who cares? Just because you see one team that doesn't have a 'black face' in a photo means they should be criticised for not having such a person in the team? Are you going to look for every black face in Mozilla's all hands meeting?

I just want Firefox for Android to work better and whoever is qualified to make this happen regardless of the colour of their face, I don't care; neither do the users care either.

Maybe it's only the racists that care so much about the colour of someone's face is on the team.

That's the usual defensive line. Its not about color as long as the work gets done. Never mind imbalance or systematic exclusion, that can't be real.

Its ever so easy to dismiss bias when we have an emotional connection. It's worth being careful about, noticing and even sometimes bringing up. And not helpful to get trolled and mocked for bringing it up.

Is this picture really disproportion in makeup? Lets see, 40 people, black faces make up 14% of America. What's the probability that's by chance? Its about 1 in 1000.

But lets be real. Black engineers are rare, much less than 14%. From ^this site its about 6%. That comes out to maybe a 1 in 12 chance of happening by accident.

So who knows. Maybe Mozilla is that 1 in 12.

^ https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm

I am not a US citicien, but as far as I know, black people are less likely to go to university so are less likely to end up in tech.

Now is this the fault of mozilla? Hardly.

But are they supposed to hire people because of their race and not of their skills? That would be the definition of racism, no?

Factored into the calculation. Look at the link.

My comment is an attempt to frame exactly that discussion. The chances, in America, of the Mozilla result is 1 in 12. Please inform us all if there is better evidence, that Mozilla's result is more likely for some reason.

> That's the usual defensive line. Its not about color as long as the work gets done. Never mind imbalance or systematic exclusion, that can't be real.

You're either trolling or completely delusional.

> And not helpful to get trolled and mocked for bringing it up.

It's not helpful to bring agenda when it is not there.

> Is this picture really disproportion in makeup? Lets see, 40 people, black faces make up 14% of America. What's the probability that's by chance? Its about 1 in 1000.

Because population of America consists only of Software Engineers and there's for sure no immigrants in this picture.

All factored into the calculation. Look at the link, before mocking (again).
And this matters because?