[carleverett]

I don't think you could ever find the "true price" of a pure store of value asset like Bitcoin. Gold has been around for thousands of years and is still volatile enough that no one would want to use it for daily transactions.

The characteristics of a great store of value are different than that of a great currency - it seems naive to me to think that Bitcoin would ever act like a fiat currency that way.

[ballofrubber]

It's because the currency gold is priced in is going down year by year. Why should you spend your gold if your fiat is worth less tomorrow?

That's besides the point that gold is practically unusable as a currency for convenience reasons (divisibility, verification, storage, transportation).

A great currency is a currency that preserves your value over time, as currency is what you earn for spending your time and skill. You shouldn't be forced to take a risk to maintain your wealth. Today it's risky not to divest your fiat.

[carleverett]

"Store of Value" and "medium of exchange" are 2 separate functions of currency that shouldn't be served by the same asset.

[ballofrubber]

Care to elaborate?

I don't see why it shouldn't. I will always want the best SoV in exchange for my services, why would I want something else? If I need to exchange the currency for a SoV everytime, I might get the SoV from the get-go.

[carleverett]

A good medium of exchange should have: - Little to no transaction fee - Near instantaneous transaction time - stable value

The characteristics of Bitcoin that make it such a good store of value make it really bad at these. Computation-heavy proof of work creates a secure and immutable network, but also makes it more expensive and slows down transaction times. It's scarcity makes it a speculative asset prone to booms and busts, but gives it the best chance of long term value growth.

But I guess what you're saying is that as a buyer, why would I not want my money to live as a strong store of value up until the point of transaction, which I think I agree with. It'd be nice if you could own Amazon stock and then pay at McDonalds with USD taken out of the value of those stocks (though tracking capital gains would be annoying). In that situation though, Amazon stock is the good store of value and United States Dollar is the good medium of exchange.

[ballofrubber]

> - Little to no transaction fee - Near instantaneous transaction time

That can be done with Bitcoin today. Download a lightning capable wallet in the appstore of your choice and post an invoice, I can instantaneously pay that to your wallet with near zero fees.

> stable value

That is basically what I was saying earlier, we don't know the correct price yet. However bitcoin is only volatile upwards (if your time horizon is > 2 years)

Bitcoin is the perfect settlement base for layers built on top. The Lightning Network uses Bitcoin for its trustlessness and payments are also denominated in bitcoin.

I know that I sound like the typical Bitcoin-shill, but I really think that this is the one of the most important projects of our lifetime. It is the first shot at seperating money from power. Some of us just need to accept that we missed the early train and didn't get rich (we all would have sold at $200 if we bought at $0.30), but accept it for what it is. The first and only trustless, permissionless and decentralized monetary network.

[carleverett]

Yes I 100% agree Lightning Network solves a lot of the medium of exchange issues and in a really cool way too.

I don't see the volatility stopping though. And being volatile upwards might be good for the spender who's been saving that money long term, but probably not for the seller who needs to count on that revenue to cover its monthly expenses.

[rohit89]

Can you point me to some blog/video that really lays out how all this is supposed to work. I don't necessarily mean the technical side but how a bitcoin world would look like.