[jssfr]

Who would be operating that server? For how many people? With which privacy policy and which SLAs? Is it just one server (= centralisation and SPOF) or many servers?

The idea behind Snikket (as I understand it) is more along the lines of having a tech-savvy person in your environment who’ll set up a Snikket instance for you and where they all invite the folks important to them.

That means reduced centralisation while providing a lean user experience. The invites are (especially on android) super low-friction (you are presented with a nearly-complete signup after app install; you only have to enter a username (not a domain name, that’s included in the invite; just a username)).

Thanks to being federated with the entire XMPP ecosystem, it can still interoperate with users who are on Quicksy or any other XMPP service out there, which is nice.

I think an invite-based approach is a good middle-way to avoid encouraging centralisation (think matrix.org, jabber.org, or worse) and keeping the onboarding friction as low as possible.

[zie]

I didn't say it was easy :) I think you could sign up across a set of servers, whoever is willing to put their server in the list. But you are correct, there are a host of issues, since it's all decentralized. That's the cost of decentralization, but there are solutions. One would be to be put on the list your SLA/privacy policies/etc must meet some min. standards(1) exist 2) be found at a .well-known/ etc. that way the client can easily show them to the curious user.

The problem with just a username, is that's not what you need to converse with ANYONE in XMPP land, you need the full XMPP address, and last I checked, no client makes that easy for you to figure out. The full XMPP address should be easy to find as that's what you actually need. Just a username doesn't work, give up on only a username being all you need, it isn't.

I think doing invites from a tech savvy snikket server instance makes sense FOR THAT USE CASE.

For Tito's Grandma, where Tito & Grandma are not tech savvy people.. that's not easy. Tito gets setup on server Y and Grandma gets setup on server Z, and neither of them can talk to each other because the client only shows the 'username'.

Again, I haven't knowingly used Snikket, but last time I played in XMPP, it was non-trivial, even for a tech savvy person.

[Zash]

That's why Snikket has a focus on easy invites that automate on-boarding and contact creation.

Other parts of the XMPP ecosystem also have easy invites that can be shared via QR code, SMS or any other messenger. Example: https://yax.im/i/#[e-mail] or https://conversations.im/i/[e-mail] See also https://yaxim.org/blog/2020/01/31/yaxim-0-dot-9-9-fosdem-edi...

[zie]

neat! It's seems my client doesn't understand these though. YAY for federated protocols! :)