[mr_vile]

Surprised to see no mention of Acme here. As much as I love keyboard-based tools, I must begrudgingly admit that from a scientific standpoint it is much quicker to use a pointing device because there is no recall associated with the action, you intuitively drive the device. However that said, there is appallingly little effort to actually utilise this power. Anyway, this is a roundabout way of saying that I don't think mouseless development should be celebrated. Good on him for figuring it out, but did we really need to figure that one out?

[thom]

I don’t understand this at all. No matter what happens, my hands are mostly on the keyboard. Moving to the mouse is wasteful, and just the act of aiming for it involves more recall than remembering any common key binding. Plus the mouse can only point at or navigate to things on or adjacent to the screen. If I want to navigate to a symbol not on screen or run an arbitrary command then resume typing, I don’t see how the mouse helps me go faster. What workflow are you picturing here that a scientific standpoint backs up?

[marttt]

Relevant article from the Plan 9 wiki: https://9p.io/wiki/plan9/mouse_vs._keyboard/

And a quote from there: "The basic summary is cursoring around required a higher level of mental planning to organize the interaction, which apparently obscures the perception of the passage of time--think of being deeply engaged in something and being surprised when you look at a clock-- whereas the use of the mouse was done at a lower, mechanical level that left the mind free for higher things, such as complaining about the mouse."

[jeromenerf]

> Surprised to see no mention of Acme here.

Don’t be surprised; plan9’s acme is not a popular application and its mouse orientation is too radical for high flying reviewers to grasp the merits of its original workings.

That said, I don’t want to use a mouseless environment, I just want the mouse to be useful and efficient when I use it.

[thanato0s]

It's intuitive because you're used to it. I thought the same, till I tried different ways.

I think it's just that: exploring new possibilities. I'm happy I tried mouse-driven and keyboard-driven workflow, because I could choose what I like the most.

I didn't know about Acme. Thanks for that!

[taeric]

Driving a mouse is far from effortless. Or intuitive, if seeing my family try and use them is any indication.

A wacom screen is intuitive, but surprisingly hard to use.

Then there are all of the rsi implications of a mouse. I use a roller mouse that I love, but older members of my family just can't figure that out.