[r45tio2]

> The quality of developers has gone down in the past 10 years

Well, there we go. Why would that be? It seems a very sad state of affairs. A genuine question: what has happened here? Constructively, we need frameworks for different skills - why are we expecting designers and UI experts to deal with dependency management? Let's let them do what they are good at.

"Developers" is too wide a term, for a start. Cutting through the abstraction and thinning down the frameworks so we can achieve the same thing with less is a very different discipline to making a site look nice. Let's all work together.